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📣 ataridreams

Is Online Tribalism an American Anathema?


I get that tech power has saved America and can save the world. But what has set America apart if not that fact that it is a place where the free exchange of of ideas between multiple cultures can take place, as one big, bold, and beautiful tribe? Has that not been a key source of our power? I get that it feels good to be part of a tribe that is closely aligned with ones experience and instincts. But has it gone to far? By enabling anonymous tribalism, is tech not now ripping America apart and destroying a key component of American competitiveness? I've been kicked out of a lot of online communities for asking tough questions. Is the tech community any different because everyone is smart? Or is it another self-absorbed tribe that could care less what any other tribe thinks? A place where its members can cancel anyone who thinks different with the click of a mouse? To be clear I'm from SV and have deep respect, gratitude, and admiration for what it has accomplished. But I am also a patriot and a very concerned citizen and feel compelled to speak. Thanks!


  👤 jfengel Accepted Answer ✓
Plenty of places have the "free exchange of ideas". Americans like to pat ourselves on the back for it, but we really don't do it better here than elsewhere. Europeans have more free speech than "free speech advocates" like to claim; we Americans have a ton of ways to shut down free speech that we prefer to ignore.

We've always been tribal. We fought a civil war over our tribalism, and we never really got over it. We tell ourselves that we're a "big, bold, beautiful" tribe precisely because we're not, and we're hoping to talk ourselves out of that.

Tech is certainly exacerbating that. We techies like to tell ourselves that we're purely meritocratic, but that's mostly because we've always come from a fairly narrow slice of tribe. As more excluded people try to get in, the underlying distrust of others comes to the fore.

I think one of America's key virtues is our ability to ignore each other. We expanded into "empty" space during the 19th century. (It wasn't empty, but hush.) In our cities, we developed the virtue of politely pretending each other didn't exist. The online domain removes the necessity of that virtue, and our underlying dislike expresses itself.

All of which would be OK, if it weren't for democracy. Democracy is a tool by which we get to force our opinions on each other. If it were just limited to sniping at each other on Facebook, we'd be fine. Even "canceling" each other is OK: it's a big empty space, and you can find some other place to be.

But now, people's opinions intrude on the real world. It's one thing to say you don't like a group; it's another to have them physically removed. When you "raise tough questions", you might be helping protect people, or threatening their life, liberty, and property.

Rather than being a "big tribe", I'd say that our key virtue is being live-and-let-live. But that conflicts with America's other key virtue: our love of getting ahead, and fear of being unjustly held back. The latter encourages is to innovate and become wealthy, but it also indulges our underlying dislike of each other.


👤 bigyabai
The tech industry is about making money, any other values of freedom or goodwill you've heard about is a misunderstanding.