I traveled last time to the US in 2014, but in the last 10 years or so, it seems to me that there has been a huge increase in violence, and I have huge fears about guns. I live in Europe and the thought that there are mass shooting is for me too high risk specifically considering traveling with my family. I understand probabilities but still more than 0% is a huge risk just for visiting a country.
Now I also read about non-US citizens being detained on the border.
I was planing this year to travel to some tech conferences in US but it seems that it is not a good year.
PS: Imagine why this is a throwaway account because I read they check the phone, laptops at the boarder. This is 100% more crazy that I am afraid to even speak on the internet about it.
Am I paranoid or are there other people in the same situation?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/germany-inve...
Simultaneously, you're getting a lot of Americans in the comments talking about how the risk of gun-violence is near-zero and nothing to be worried about. There have been 58 mass shootings in the U.S. In Europe, there have been 2. Statistically, going from Europe to the U.S, your risk of being caught up in a shooting ARE significantly higher.
Is that still worth not travelling for? In reality, 58 mass shootings in 3.5 months across that number of population centres, the risk is incredibly, incredibly low.
But is it still significantly higher than Europe? Yes, absolutely.
Should you worry about the U.S violence getting "worse"? No. But it is more violent, statistically, than Europe.
As I said though, I'd be more worried about ICE nonsense.
Basically all gun violence in America is either confined to very specific economically depressed areas, that are well-known and easy to avoid, or is between two private parties.
Yes the big news headlines are scary, yes I wish the number was zero, but the reality is that the risk is still extremely, extremely, extremely low and is not something the average person needs to even think about unless you live in one of the violence prone neighborhoods.
With the US, you just get the feeling every time you are at security that they might mistreat you, for no reason. The way the agent looks at you, the way the questioning goes, it's like they suspect you of being a criminal. The only other country where the guy made that atmosphere for me was Cuba.
As for violence when you're in the country, my impression with those statistics is that it's highly localized, wherever you are in the world. There's some neighbourhood that you're not supposed to go to, and if you just stay out, your risk is very low.
Regarding the people you meet, the US is the only place where I get the Jekyll/Hyde vibe. Lots of super friendly people who will be happy to chat with you. But also the feeling that if you get on their wrong side, it will be unpleasant really fast.
I don't think there's evidence to support this and holding the line at 0 risk seems impossible / a real risk of a lot of stress for 0 gain in actual safety, or worse.
Example of the "worse", someone might see reports of a plane crash(s) and chaos at the TSA and choose to drive rather than fly. The result is they've increased their risk or injury or death (even if still very low).
Let alone the endless amount of worry reaching 0 risk would involve, sounds like a mental heath nightmare honestly.
I think people who hear "oh that strange place has this problem we don't have as much" they naturally view it as a far greater risk than it really is.
Humans are not good at measuring risk.
It's your call on travel, but that aspect of your concern seems unfounded and honestly potentially unhealthy.
This is a logic driven community, but this statement is 100% emotionally driven. (E.g. you understand it's extremely unlikely, but you don't feel comfortable still)
There's nothing wrong with making emotionally-driven decisions, but there's also very little anyone else can say (or at least no stats, no probabilities, no logic based reason) to make you feel differently about the chance of improbable events occurring.
This last incident in 2017, I was standing by the immigration officer, and while he was looking through my documents, I was looking around at the people waiting in the queue. He asked if I was travelling with someone. I said no. He asked why I was looking at the queue. I said I was just looking around. He told me to stop looking around and look in front of me. I said OK. Somewhere during this I put my hands in my pocket, so he told me to take my hands out of my pocket. I was a bit startled at this and trying to figure out what was going on with the guy. I was obviously too slow for him so he shouted loud "take your hands out of your damn pocket". I just zipped my mouth and wanted to get through it.
Once I got past him, I needed to get a connecting flight to Mexico. I walked down a passage following the directions and saw that I was going to end up in the main check-in area. Since I was just connecting, I was confused and I asked two immigration officers whether I am going in the right direction. The lady just told me "keep moving sir". I tried to explain that I was connecting and thought I was going in the wrong direction. She then shouted at me "keep moving!". I told her again "please, just listen to me", and she shouted at me again. Thankfully, the guy with her told her to calm down and took a minute to listen to me and explained that I was going the right way.
Honestly, this trip was the last straw for me and I vowed never to go back. The contrast between the immigration in the US and other countries - especially compared to Asia - was night and day. I decided I would visit countries that are happy to have me visit and treat me with dignity instead.
Another time in the US, I was walking past a construction site. I was walking outside the safety barriers, but on the same side of the street. I guy rushed out at me and started shouting at me to get on the opposite side of the road. Huge guy. Looked like he wanted to attack me and was red in the face of fury and spittle sprayed all over me while he was shouting at me.
Quite honestly, there are too many angry people over there. I have visited many countries and never experienced anything like the angry people in the US.
While gun violence here is absolutely far more common compared to Europe, it is still very rare in absolute terms. The only guns I’ve even ever seen were in a police officer’s holster or in the possession of military personnel. Most gun violence is related to domestic disputes or among criminals. If you’re not selling drugs or don’t have an ex-husband with an anger problem and access to a gun, you’re probably going to be fine.
It’s not the guns you should worry about, but the border and entry process.
I’m still afraid to go back now. It seems like they’re simply making an example by throwing random people into weeks of detention at the border. A green card holder credibly claims he was tortured over a decade-old marijuana misdemeanor on his record.
Needless to say this perception is pretty bad for American tourism, business travel, conferences, etc.
I'd have been travelling by air from Canada, so the border-crossing is on Canadian soil, which (probably) greatly reduces the risk of landing in detention due to the arbitrary decisions made by a MAGA-addled CBP agent.
Personal risk of harm or imprisonment aside, I have ethical concerns about continuing to behave as if the US is a normal, rational actor on the world stage while its administration threatens the sovereignty of Canada, Denmark and Panama.
As long as this bellicosity continues, the US should be shunned and isolated as much as possible by the global community.
So you think that there's more violence because you hear about it on the news/social media, or is it informed by actual statistics? The latter shows a slight bump during the pandemic, but is back to pre-pandemic levels.
>Now I also read about non-US citizens being detained on the border.
The two cases I've heard about both involve people with visa issues trying to cross a land border, with neither side wanting to accept. If you're traveling for a conference and don't have obvious work intentions (eg. interviews lined up) you should be fine.
I have made the decision to avoid international travel so that I don't run into any potential issues at the border until I've gone through the citizenship process.
I'm also keeping an eye on the situation with domestic air travel. If we start getting reports of people being detained and stripped of their LPR status while trying to board domestic flights, I'll probably just stick to ground travel.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-...
If you're white and traveling from the EU or elsewhere, you’ll likely be fine, though the experience may still be unpleasant.
However, if your passport lists a country of birth deemed undesirable (such as those in the Middle East or Africa), you may face detention, additional questioning, and other issues, regardless of the passport you hold, you will be filtered out based on your skin color and physical features.
Personally, I’ve stopped traveling to the U.S. altogether. These days, I even avoid connecting flights that pass through the country.
It’s unfortunate, but as a Canadian, I no longer see America as an ally, and I fear things may only get worse in the coming years.
They ask for your social media accounts too. "Hey, you left out your HN throwaway account from this list. Come with me (1).".
Well, I guess I'm in someone's list now.
People were worried about donating to Assange defense fund when it was a thing.
To people defending it, imagine if this was happening to someone you care about in some country you think are run are by assholes: 1) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
In my companies recent town halls people are voicing concerns about US travel, which has never happened before. In comparison, our large events in (far more authoritarian) China, which were attended by large numbers of foreign employees, didn't have any such concerns other than usual IP-sharing ones.
There have been increased instances of foreigners being detained and there social media gone through. The results vary from being denied entry to being locked up for a couple weeks.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/canadian-act...
I am canceling the one in April.
The other is harder for me to cancel, as its my industry main conference for the year. It will hurt me professionally, and fanatically not to go.
But stories like this, White woman with good paper work, and regular traveler to the USA (similar to myself), No criminal record, No apparent reason, no ability to call a lawyer, getting detained for weeks, is making me very nervous.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
My company is considering starting our own local conference, outside the US, as an alternative. A expensive and distracting exercise that I would prefer not to have to do.
I am not worried about gun violence in the US at the moment.
I am worried about arbitrary detention without representation or recourse.
At that point you're the most vulnerable.
The plane is US soil, and it's well covered by international law, but once you get out of it, and before you enter the country, not even constitutional rights are completely clear.
This audience will likely call me paranoid, or try to downplay/deflect, but we can see clearly what's going on and the gaslighting does not help.
The US made it very clear many years ago that they've had all the visitors and immigrants they need. I guess they reached critical mass, and believes they are invincible at least within the lifespan of the current rulers. "Sheer fucking hubris" as the quote from Star Trek goes.
Some years later, as a grown-up, I started to visit the US a couple of times, for business (visiting trade shows, conferences and customers), and as a tourist.
Around the 10th trip, the immigration officer unexpectedly crossed out my visum in the passport upon entry. I was stunned. He explained to me, very friendly, "that the policies had changed, the visum type was not existant anymore and thus cancelled, in the future I would just have to fill a paper in the airplane, welcome to the United States".
Next trip I received the questionnaire in the airplane, with one of the questions being "has there ever been an US visum cancelled for you?". That seemed a difficult question to answer. Would I say "no", that seemed like lying, because a visum had - as a matter of fact - been cancelled for me. Would I say "yes", I probably could just keep sitting in the plane seat for an immediate return. I decided to clear this up with the friendly immigration officer.
Who turned out not to be friendly, at all. Before I could even open my mouth, he noticed the unanswered question on the form, yelled at me like crazy, made me get back to the end of the line (I had spent already almost an hour in the line), told me to better not come back with unanswered questions on the form (I chose "no" on the second attempt) and then kept me interrogating for 20 minutes, all the time giving me the feeling that I would go right home. I was finally allowed to enter and spent another hour with customs.
Didn't feel the urge to ever come back to the US. That was long before ESTA. And long before I started to collect exotic stamps in my passport, some of them showing arabic typefaces. And long before Europe became an enemy of the US.
I have been to African countries (which the current POTUS would describe as shithole countries), whose administrations were less erratic and unpredictable than the US currently are.
All that to say, even as a US citizen, I'm hoping to avoid traveling to the US until this fascist government is removed.
The odds of getting an 'emboldened nationalistic fuckhead', or ENF's as I call them, at the border, or a LEO officer has gone up considerably. Scientists blocked at the border due to social media posts, Citizens/legal green card holders are being deported for simply criticizing or protesting the administration. Legal visitors and musicians are being followed and harassed by LEO's demanding their country of preference and treating them like drug smugglers. Legal visa seekers are being detained for weeks in horrible conditions. This is only a short list of the many things visitors need to be aware of and concerned about.
This administration is showing every indication of refusing to follow multiple judges orders and attacking the judicial system people would typically expect to curb and/or stop such abuses.
If you have any sort of public profile or social media presence that isn't pro-Trump/US you are at risk.
Attend remotely or not at all, and make it known to the conference organizers that the US is not a safe place anymore to host international conferences. It will only take a year or two of people refusing and these conferences will stop being organized in the US.
Hopefully a new administration comes along sooner rather than later and makes significant inroads into restoring democracy and freedom in the US, for now its an autocratic regime with a very thin skin and massive ego.
FWIW there has _not_ been an increase in violent crime in the US since 2014; it's down a bit since then. The media does seem far more fixated on it, granted.
However, the increasing border nonsense would put me off. Particularly because, if I decide now to go to something in, say, June, well, who knows _how_ bad it'll be by June. I'll likely try to avoid going over for the foreseeable future.
Currently, Trump is so surreal that it is hard to decide what is thought out policy and what is pure idiotism, but getting caught in the crossfire is rather unnecessary and I'd prefer to wait for things to calm down before committing to any US travel.
You should be aware that it has been an official recommendation for e.g. athletes participating in international events in, erm, some countries, to get themselves 'burner' (throwaway) phones just for the purpose so there's nothing much to glean from the device. If you're considering to travel internationally with a laptop well here are my condolences, why spend so much time, money and effort just to shlep around that silly thing.
The orange man and his kleptocracy cabinet are dismantling the federal government to make way for a corporation run country or “nation states.”
Take your tourism dollars and please spend them elsewhere. America in its current state does not deserve your patronage. Encourage conference leaders to move their venue out of the United States.
In short: French scientist denied access to the US based on the contents on his phone (critical messages).
But when non brown people are getting sent to ICE, and when criticism of political figures is terrorism, then this is definitely not America you are going to. It’s a country that has popped up in the geographic region previously occupied by America. This new country isn’t a place for conferences in fields that are all about upsetting the status quo.
I believe that in general people tend to overestimate the threats in places they do not live because the news reports on the worst stuff. There is also not an even distribution across the country, or even the state or city for that matter. If I was to visit your country, I wonder what concerns I would have about it that you would find unusual.
Most gun violence is between people who are known to each other (gangs, suicide, domestic violence). As a random person, you are very unlikely to have problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Q0RPooaHw - the best way to visit tech conferences in US
I think your fear is unreasonzble.
But it's a good thing to avoid travel. By fying across ocean you would contribute to environment damage by the airplane emission and potentially transmit infections.
Participate remotely, stay home, save time, money and the planet.
If I were running the convention center in Vancouver/Toronto/Montreal I'd be feeling pretty good right now.
I think you’ll be fine. Shootings here get a lot of media coverage which makes it seem more common than it actually is.
I wouldn't go US again, it's nothing like in the movies.
Literally the only guarantee you have is that on a long enough timeline, you will die.
This is what happens when you get your information from entertainment media masquerading as news. Sure, there are shootings. What is the distribution? Shootings are not randomly distributed.
Some quick stats from Pew Research in 2023 there were 46,728 gun deaths. Sounds like a lot, right? Remember though the US is BIG. A full 58% were suicides. That’s 6/10!
A distribution map is available at https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-...
And finer maps are available too.
I have lived here over 40 years and never such as heard a gunshot outside of the range. I have lived in New Jersey, Illinois, and California. I have never been threatened with any kind of weapon.
I spent six months in England though and was threatened with a knife.
It seems that you would be cutting yourself off from a large portion of the world.
Too hot, for one thing, even in western WA, home of wet, gray winters and (formerly) gorgeous mild summers. Now you can't even go for a hike without registering on recreation.gov, and then also having to drive possibly hundreds of miles out of your way to show up in-person at a national park headquarters anyway. For what, I don't know -- maybe to be fingerprinted. Roads and trails have also seriously deteriorated since I lived there. Infrastructure maintenance seems to be regarded as an unaffordable luxury these days, something to be needed only by freeloaders, never the rich overlords.
The US also felt really creepy, even compared to my last visit in late 2019. These days, in Ecuador, I'm used to going everywhere on foot and dealing with people in a low-key, individual, informal way, but being in the US is more and more like finding oneself in a bad dystopian science-fiction movie.
People there are isolated from one another, it's all about driving around or standing in long lines for self-checkout at stores, or getting into a confrontation with store policy when just trying to (as a 76-year-old) prove that (1) I exist and (2) am really truly old enough to buy beer (via scanning my driver's license for the appropriate data). Yeeps.
The US is now just a crazy, lonely, assembly-line place full of discouragement and homeless people. And I'm not talking about some urban slum -- this is Olympia, WA, which used to be really pleasant.
And guns. If you look, you notice them. Back in 2019 I fended off three aggressive dogs illegally running loose on a suburban trail in advance of a horse-riding couple, then had the guy say he had a gun and had him threaten to kill me for pepper-spraying his dogs, then had him ram his horse into me, then threaten to kill me a second time. Life these days. Nope.
And even I (little old quiet invisible no-criminal-history me) worry about being hassled or even detained coming into the country, just because. I was already questioned around 10 years ago at the Atlanta airport about what I had been doing in Ecuador. None of your business, dipshit.
So, the US was my home country but, ah, no. Not any more. I'm glad to be where I am now, free of that, all of it. I'll probably never go back, definitely never for anything I can just safely read about at a distance, like a tech conference.
I personally would not feel comfortable in a country with restrictive gun laws, if my phone is stolen, I could lose valuable customer data which I'm entrusted to keep secure - it's not right to offload my security to others.