HACKER Q&A
📣 an_opabinia

Hey Drew, why is Dropbox becoming so bad?


When you visit the Dropbox iOS app's PDF viewer there's a bright blue Open button. It shows "Open with... Adobe Acrobat Reader, Add Text or Signature" - it's an affiliate revenue scheme dark pattern that sends you down a totally bad path. It caught my mom today, a Pro subscriber and a doctor, and she was just trying to look at health articles with her patients. Not "sign up for an Adobe account?" as she worriedly said on the phone today.

It's rough. The app is full of crap like this, it's not the first time it's caught my mom - an educated person! There was smart sync (different than "selective sync") being toggled on by default on new installs, which was horrible. Files that don't open! Bad engineering, bad product design. There are the blocking notifications and prompts. The defaulting to show the Dropbox app instead of Finder. That's just in the last two months.

I asked Dropbox CS people to "disable product management." I joked in that thread that they were aspiring to be "anti-mom."

I liked Dropbox, it was basically perfect in 2012, it's why I pay for it so consistently, why I've gifted subs to people, why they keep paying, etc.

Drew, why are you ruining your product?

That aside, remember when Steve Jobs personally replied to people's emails? There is no process for a normal person to connect with a real decision maker at giant tech companies anymore. It's the most foreboding development in the tech industry. Delegating stuff like this to social media is bad management, and Paul Graham should be apoplectic that despite all of these dark patterns, Dropbox shares are still not trading above their IPO price. It's bad business sense, it's bad product. It's just bad.


  👤 evgen Accepted Answer ✓
As others have noted, I share your pain and am in complete agreement that Dropbox has gone from a must-have utility that was a core part of several key workflows to a steaming crapfest of monetization and upsell. I dropped my subscription to Dropbox, migrated everything that was easy and convenient away, and have not looked back.

I feel bad, sort of, to need to part ways with a tool that was once so useful and clever. OTOH, good riddance!


👤 dirktheman
You can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.

:)


👤 tibbydudeza
Jobs was right ... personal cloud storage is a feature not a product.

Onedrive 1TB family tier works well.


👤 SirensOfTitan
I feel inclined to agree. Dropbox additionally shoves all sorts of features I don’t want down my throat (no, I don’t want a password manager or hellosign integration, thanks) while depriving me of basic security features because they’re “enterprise” like password protecting a Dropbox file url.

The only part of Dropbox palatable nowadays is the desktop sync, which still is pretty invisible. I can’t even open .org files as plaintext in the Dropbox iOS app right now. The same app opens to a default pane not of my files but of Dropbox paper files, a product I’ve never used ever.

I renewed my Dropbox membership this past year mainly out of laziness: but not next. It’s fairly clear Dropbox doesn’t care for me as a customer.


👤 thismodernlife
It's been immensely annoying since it became an 'app' rather than a folder extension on macOS, and since they targeted business/enterprise.

I've just moved to iCloud Drive now they offer shared folders, but then I only share stuff with family members so this is straightforward.

Shame as I used to love Dropbox.


👤 dzwillia
Add to this list the fact that there is no setting anywhere in the preferences (not even in the Windows registry) to turn off the "Your Dropbox is almost full! Upgrade now!" notification that pops up on my screen daily is just brutal.

👤 tonyedgecombe
I switched to SyncThing a couple of weeks ago. So far it is working perfectly for my requirements.

👤 llaolleh
Companies seem to decline as the distance between customers and the engineering team grows.

Dropbox used to be great and blew all their competitors out of the water. At the time their syncing speed was incredible and UI great. Nowadays not so much because they have added non-core features and dilly-dallied on features that people don't really use.


👤 timhyoung
We hear you. Lots of positive changes coming. The team is committed to improving the overall experience and providing that effortless, lightweight feeling once again.

Would love to chat anytime.

Timothy at dropbox.com


👤 Grakel
I switched to Sync.com about 2 months ago, and it's perfect. The folder syncs. I can choose which folders to sync. Sharing works, and it's direct sharing through an app or as a link, and that's it. Sync.com is incredible for all the things it DOESN'T do.

👤 sdmw
The answer is simple, trying to attract more users by adding more useless services. Just imagine how big/dominant they would have been if they full on focussed on their core business.

👤 byoung2
I agree...Dropbox was perfect when I first started using it, but it has gotten so bad. How can that be?

👤 resters
Adobe Acrobat just won't die, and for some reason Dropbox gave it a very annoying lifeline, or vice versa.

It would be nice if Dropbox invested heavily in its own PDF viewer and allowed the user to easily opt out (or opt out by default) of things like Adobe or Microsoft integrations.

Financially, Dropbox depends on business users, so integrations like that (for e-signatures, Office integration, etc.) help sell it into businesses.

There was a story on Slashdot years before Dropbox was conceived describing how Ray Ozzie was going to build integrated shared folders into Windows. This was in the days when things like Zip drives were not yet obsoleted, and it seemed visionary.

So I was surprised and pleased when YC funded Drew because Microsoft never did anything with Ozzie's vision. Early Dropbox was elegant and simple, as Drew intended.

I think this is a case where adding Adobe integration is like how Adobe installs McAfee by default, etc. Referral programs to generate revenue because the freemium product is not generating enough to keep investors happy.

I would not be surprised if Drew was irritated that Adobe had to be bundled into the product.

But let's also note that Drew has been very pragmatic and hired neocon hawk and Iraq war architect Condi Rice for the board in an attempt to secure government contracts.

I think Dropbox did a great job with Sync and I like the filesystem extension idea, it just needs a bit more refinement. SmartSync has worked very well for me and I think turning it on by default is the obvious correct choice.


👤 justinlloyd
I started using Dropbox heavily when it first launched. Then in 2018 switched to using Synology Drive and when my Dropbox yearly subscription came up for renewal, let it lapse, staying with the 2GB or so of free space that Dropbox offers simply because it was easier to make my aging Mother-in-law understand a Dropbox link (which she used at her library) than a Synology Drive link.

Early 2020 my wife's Dropbox subscription was up, and we switched her over to Synology Drive for everything but kept Dropbox around for the few free gigabytes it offers.

This past week we got a new kitchen computer, and it was the first machine that we've purchased in a decade that did not get Dropbox installed on it. And probably in the next month or two, we're going to be quietly uninstalling Dropbox from all of our other computers too.

Goodbye Dropbox, it was nice knowing you, but beyond basic file sync, all the new bells and whistles have added absolutely nothing of value for our family but you sure love charging us hundreds of dollars of year to look after (poorly) a small amount of data.


👤 corobo
Hear hear. Stop trying to convince me I'm a business while we're at it.

I found the price point for me, I'm a clever like that


👤 racuna
I'm merely using Dropbox on Android to scan and upload documents without issues.

For big ass folders and files I use syncthing, tho.


👤 anuila
It's ironic how the platform that became so popular because of its speed and simplicity has turned into this. I like it better when software is invisible.

While iCloud isn't as neat as 2012 Dropbox, it's better than good enough. I haven't reinstalled Dropbox.


👤 cblconfederate
Ditched long ago for 1drive. What were they thinking ruining a product that has no moat.

👤 virgofx
People just want to sync their "stuff". That's it. All the latest upselling, large UI changes and integrations drive people nuts and which is why everyone is leaving. Agree with everything mentioned by the op.

👤 jczhang
Dunno about their main product (never used it much), but Paper is awesome! Dark mode UI implemented super well!

👤 jbverschoor
Yeah I agree.. But I guess dropbox will ultimately turn back into the USB-Drive they wanted to be.

👤 mbrodersen
Yep couldn’t agree more. Dropbox just keep getting worse. However at least the iPad app seems to crash less often nowadays.

👤 bwb
Weird, I love dropbox, I use it for a virtualized desktop and some sharing features.

👤 rangoon626
Once they started changing their product like this, I moved all of my personal stuff over to iCloud Drive. I was already paying for it anyway. It’s maybe a bit pokey, but I never have problems with it.

I sympathize.