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📣 throwaway48491

Bored, stuck in a rut. What to do?


Hi everyone, so I'm in my mid-twenties, no debt, 1 years worth of salary in savings + index funds, work in software development in Canada, I have about a years worth of experience and I'm stuck in a rut. I don't enjoy working for the company that I currently work for because there's no opportunity for growth or advancement, and I'm a brainless blob because of how precise the tasks have to be completed. It'd actually be better for me to get a lobotomy.

I save more than half of my income after tax so I am hoping for an early retirement but I can't guarantee it.

I try to constantly solve problems in my life and post them to GitHub. I have many many many projects on the go but none of which are really sellable. I'm trying to constantly produce as much as I can in hopes that I'll develop something that someone else might find worth using.

I'd like to be an entrepreneur but it's a lot more work than creating a startup and getting passive income; it's highly risky and there's a high chance I'll lose my entire investment. I posted an idea to reddit which got significant attention (thousands of votes, hundreds of comments) and a lot of good questions and answers for my business idea but nobody outside of reddit finds it interesting.

I want to work in security but I don't have the credentials. I found a bug in Facebook's email-code two factor authentication many years ago which allowed the user to enter at least 30 codes incorrectly before entering in the right one. I reported it, they said it was not an issue but then fixed it a month later and I could only enter in three before getting locked out. Found vulnerabilities in other websites that exposed enough info to file a tax return for some.

I don't really see the point of doing things anymore. I'm super tired all of the time but my nutrition macros are ok according to some apps. Doctor says I'm fine so I'm probably just lazy.

What would you suggest that I do to get unstuck?


  👤 happypotomus Accepted Answer ✓
Hey man - I totally got what you're experiencing right now.

I've been in your position before. What changed for me was when I stopped finding motivation and passion at work. I instead chose to spend time giving back to my community, taking up a sport (Jiu Jitsu) and really spending the time to create a life that I'm genuinely proud of.

I recommend trying a bunch of shit out of work and see what you enjoy and see what sticks! Find your source of fulfillment outside of your work and that will give you the energy to push through your work.


👤 marketgod
You have over $500K? Take $50K and setup a margin account.

Follow my trades for the next year while you work. Trade it while working if you can. When you turn the $50K into $250K you can quit your job and trade full time and work as a white-hat and control what you do.

Okay that was the easy way out. Now the hard way.

Get certifications. Security is hot right now. Everyone needs a security person. A cert or experience signal that right now.

Network. How many meetings have you scheduled with someone in security at your current company in the last month? What are you waiting for. Message everyone at your company and ask for 10 minutes to talk about how they got where they are. The more senior their role the better it is.

Also find another job for now that won't make you hate life. Start applying. Ever heard of informal interviews? Try it out.


👤 eswat
> I want to work in security but I don't have the credentials.

Well, you got to start somewhere! I burnt out from front-end development last year and decided to pivot into security. There are plenty of entry-level certifications you can start looking at if you want to explore this area more:

- Security+ from CompTIA

- eJPT from eLearnSecurity

- OSCP from Offensive Security

> I reported it, they said it was not an issue but then fixed it a month later and I could only enter in three before getting locked out.

Don't let your past outcomes with vulnerability disclosure dissuade you from continuing if this field really interests you. Many people have received the short end of the stick through public disclosure programs. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to many of the other amazing things you can do here.


👤 shoo
There's good advice elsewhere in this thread to put some energy into non-work activities, such as cultivating personal relationships and hobbies that are quite different from the day job.

One trap I've personally struggled with at times in the past is becoming over-invested in my job, and then getting frustrated with or depressed about work. Usually this has happened when I haven't had much else going on in my life outside work to focus on, leading me to focus on and then over emphasise work frustrations. As I've gotten a bit more perspective over time I've come to expect less from work, it's a way to pay the bills and that's why I'm there. Still worth looking for a better job every now and again, especially if you've ended up in a role where you have stopped learning.

There's a bit of research that backs this kind of pattern up: people who are younger, unmarried, don't have children are more likely to experience burnout:

> To me, the most beguiling data to emerge from burnout research are the profiles of the people who experience it most acutely. In her early work, for instance, Maslach found that younger people burn out more often than older people, a finding that turns up again and again both here and abroad. (In fact, that study from the University of Michigan explicitly said that younger surgeons burn out more quickly than older ones.) This conclusion may seem counterintuitive, because we associate burning out somehow with midlife disillusionment. But not if we think of burnout as the gap between expectations and rewards. Older workers, as it turns out, have more perspective and more experience; it’s the young idealists who go flying into a profession, plumped full of high hopes, and run full-speed into a wall. Maslach also found that married people burn out less often than single people, as long as their marriages are good, because they don’t depend as much on their jobs for fulfillment. And childless people, though unburdened by the daily strains of parenting, tend to burn out far more than people with kids. (This, too, has been found across cultures; in the Netherlands, a recent survey by the Bureau of Statistics showed that twice as many working women without children showed symptoms of burnout as did working women with underage children.) It’s much easier to disproportionately invest emotional and physical capital in the office if you have nowhere else to put it. And the office seldom loves you back.

- http://nymag.com/news/features/24757/


👤 burntoutfire
That's been my life more or less for the past 15 years. Now I'm a couple months from FIRE. So, my advice is to try to have rich life outside of work - friends, love if you can find it, interests, sport, contact with nature, deep books etc. This can all help make life meaningful in spite of having to sell most of your time in order to survive. At the same time, try to maximize income and watch your spending so that you're not a slave to jobs until you're old.

👤 zhaphod
I am stuck too in my work. I can't quit because of my commitments (also i am too scared to quit and be on my own). Any way. One thing I know is that I do well when I am learning new stuff. So my goal for next 5 years: learn Quantum Computing inside out. This means Physics/Math/Programming in new paradigm. So I have my hands full. So find what makes you feel better and do it. In the meantime, I have found mindless activity like cleaning home boosts mood too.

👤 mstipetic
You can't just build something and hope it catches on, if you want to build a product/company.

A successful company requires execution on sales, marketing, market research, messaging, positioning and product, among others.

You're taking a standard "engineer" approach to the problem, which is to build stuff, but you need to focus on other things as well. They're just as interesting as engineering if you give it a chance.


👤 keiferski
It's a bit difficult now with COVID, but have you considered traveling, especially to somewhere with a low cost of living? I'm not sure how much you have saved, but it's possible to live on $1,000 in many smaller cities in eastern and central Europe, the Caucasus, Morocco, etc. You could build your startup for 6/12 months without eating much into your investment.

👤 rjpn
Move to a new city or probably a new country. That will pull you out of boredom. I am also stuck in a rut right now but I did these about 3 times in my career till now. I remember I felt the most excitement at work and in life when I am in a new city and new environment.

👤 legerdemain
Have you considered looking for another job that you don't hate quite as much?

👤 kleer001
GET OUTSIDE.

Get a hobby that involves the real world, preferably around trees, animals, or other people.

Exercise. Anything, walks, runs, jogs, swimming, hikes, biking. Anything that gets you OUTSIDE.


👤 icedchai
You mention you are tired. Have you had your thyroid checked? That turned out to be the problem for me and a couple of friends with similar issues.

👤 digianarchist
If you're a Canadian citizen I recommend moving to the United States to maximize your earnings for retirement.

👤 samsquire
Write down your ideas and idle thoughts and practice some thing deliberately and get good at it.

👤 commentsgaloer
if you want to work in security, keep doing stuff on that front! it's a field that keeps growing. don't lose hope. you're quite young.

you can also go for a new hobby.

finally, I could be wrong, but maybe work on personal relationships? family and friends.


👤 cvaidya1986
Make friends with who you want to be.