Software Engineering,Money and Overcoming Guilt of Being Paid Too Much?

If you feel guilty, that's probably a good thing. It means you have compassion and empathy. Use that to your advantage.

Instead of lamenting your good fortune, spread it around. Tip well. Patronize local businesses even if it costs a bit more. Use your privilege to take time off and fight for better resources for those less fortunate. Donate your time. Hire people to do stuff for you.

Help however you can by slowly redistributing your own wealth.

Yes, you can feel a bit guilty. But there are definitely some other factors.

I did the jobs you described part time while I was studying. Yes the jobs you listed are more physical, but you gain a flexible schedule and the chance to combine it with different things, art, writing studying etc.

I remember a conversation with a barber. I told her I was a programmer, she immediately reacted with, "I would never be able to do that, I need to do something more creative and social". That was a bit shortsighted from her side. But it also gave me a bit of insight that not everyone wants to sit in an office all day. People are really different, some might do it because they cannot do anything else. Other probably talk about you as you are talking about them right now.

Finally, remember that not all countries have the same social/tax system. I'm not sure where you are from, but when your coin is very strong versus the country you are visiting, it is already very skewed. Next to that countries like the US you get allot more "liquid" money. Money you can easily spend. Some countries actually tax more, giving you a more stable foundation, but it will mean you have less money after taxes.

Just treat everyone like they are human.

Invest. Now is not the time to give back, you don't know your future. Live a good life, and once you are in a position to donate and help other people, do so. But for that you have to have your life figured out first. You don't want to get generous now and have nothing in three months after unemployment.

Plan it accordingly and you can have a good life and give back to many, many people.

If it helps: The salaries paid to early career engineers are mostly option value for mid-career engineers rather than being a direct attempt to compensate for your year 1 productivity. You might have a good bead on what your year 1 productivity is likely to be; you may be surprised how quickly you climb the skill curve and how valuable your labor becomes, at which point your employer will be saying "Phew! Good thing we don't have to get this geek from the market; that would cost [a substantial premium to the largest number you can think of being paid as of today]."

Not sure I have anything to offer regarding the disparity between your income and that of anyone else in the economy, other than to say decreasing your income does not make any of them better off. Tip much more generously than society expects you to. If you have the opportunity to, join a company which broadly impacts economic opportunity.

My view is shaped by the bible which teaches us to enjoy what we have, not covet what others have and to remember the poor.

If you can master these three things I believe you will have more peace in your own mind and will help others along the way.

I have helped provide food for the hungry in Africa and worked alongside the homeless in South America. My thoughts are not just thoughts.

I have encountered those with much less than yourself who I daresay are happier and more content. That’s the wonder of the teaching above, it applies to all.

Its simple supply and demand. I am in eastern Europe (Romania to be precise). Software Engineers are paid 5-8x above median. Cost of living is low, so life is pretty good.

No guilt here. The industry is screaming for people. There are lots of companies here which hire you with little to no experience and pay you a median wage. Study/learn for a year and you're making 2x the median wage.

Don't feel guilty. They can make the same amount of money if they wanted to.

You're paid more because you are expected to provide a lot of value and are also hard to replace. Society is simply giving you back some of the value that you're creating for it. A housekeeper can only change so many people's sheets per day, while features you engineer at Google can impact a billion+ people. BTW, if you don't feel like you contribute a lot yet, give it some time - in 5-10 years, this should change.

In the words of Steve Miller, "go on, take the money and run". Everyone wants programming/apps/computers in the workplace for every industry hence our current situation (which has really been steady since before I was even a thought in my parent's eye's).

If you feel guilty about it, I'm sure that's normal, especially for your age. If you want to do something about it, then why don't you mentor those who might want to break into the workforce. "Knowing a guy/gal" still goes a long way.

Unfortunately, people will make choices. Some of those choices are better than others. A series of choices can make or break you. Those choices can put someone like you in your position, or put someone "working more hours in the cargo loading department". Take your knowledge, maybe even some of your extra money, and try to help those who you think might benefit from moving into a programming/testing/general tech industry, because eventually recruiters will start asking if you know people, and entry level jobs will come up.

I was going to say that you won't feel bad if you ever "go without" for a while. I was going to say that if you spend a month or so on the streets, barely getting enough to survive each day, that you'd feel less guilt about earning so much. Then I remembered that I still personally feel bad when I see other people working so hard and barely scraping by, and I get to sit at a desk in my apartment, basically solving problems that are fun and I make 5X as much as they do.

I still feel the guilt even though I've been through some really hard times. I guess it's important to act on your guilt. If you feel like you can help someone that's struggling, then do so. Some people would encourage you to invest, and that's wise! But sometimes you have to do something that isn't wise to feel "complete".

Go with your gut. Life is too short. If you want to be rich, then do what makes you rich. If you don't want to feel guilt, then it seems like your priorities are in a different place. Life is an adventure for some people.

Interesting, I have a similar problem - I’m bothered that many people around me are making a lot more than me. It feels wrong that so many people are able to buy $3M houses outright. I was browsing real estate section in a local newspaper and suddenly the guilt of not doing enough / not doing the right things hit me.

Don’t worry. You’ll realize how badly you’re being exploited once you get a few years experience.

Changing the inequality is work in progress. Rather than feeling guilty, perhaps you could volunteer to help disadvantaged groups. Another alternative is to donate generously to appropriate charities.

From what I have read the homeless epidemic in SanFran is extreme, people sleeping rough, in broken down cars, etc. I am sure that wherever you go you will find people having it very tough compared to you.

Money is a resource. It takes resources to help people. It might be helpful to consider using your money to help people. It might be informative to ask yourself how you could most effectively use some of your money to help others (charity, investing, etc.). Consider budgeting 10% (or whatever you’re comfortable with) to be spent on improving the lives of others. It could be as simple as paying the rent for a family member.

Here, absolve yourself: https://app.effectivealtruism.org/funds/global-development

Or check out https://80000hours.org, which has given me a new perspective on this sort of thing, even if I can't apply all the advice they have

With capitalism the value of a product or service is equal to its value to the customer. Communism on the other hand is based on the notion that work is inherently valuable. Hence, with communism the value of a product or service isn't defined by its value to the customer but by the work put into it.

While communism might appear to be more just at face value it tends to create inefficiencies, false incentives and shortages.

If a busboy gets paid the same as software engineer there might not be enough of the latter to meet the demand. This leads to stagnation and less wealth, which in the end affects everyone, software engineers and busboys alike (even though admittedly it probably affects the software engineer's employer the most at first).

Is it even just if a highly qualified person with valuable expertise gets paid the same as someone whose skills have less value?

These aren't simple problems and questions. The modern welfare state has been an attempt to alleviate these issues while at the same time keeping capitalists incentives. It's not a perfect solution but for the most part it works.

To really solve these problems once and for all we probably have to arrive at a post-scarcity situation first, where products and services are available in abundance at little to no marginal cost.

A capitalist system - perhaps ironically - might be our best shot at getting there.

at the same time good chefs are getting paid way more than engineers and traders have starting salary comparable to senior engineer and stupid rappers and hookers make more than all of the above combined - conclusion is life is not fair so get used to it and adapt.

More generally, the world is simply not fair or just.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

I don't want to look rude in any way by saying this.. If you feel that you make a lot of money and feel guity for it, you could donate to entities that help those in need or even volunteer at those places.

I'm in Europe and my salary is far from guilt-inducing.

Not to worry you'll feel exploited soon enough lol

If you really want to give, first premise is the government won't spend your taxes well.

So, how much to give?

The top part of the range that is taxed highly.

I didn't expect a post to be like this on HN but I'm of the same opinion - the guilt is real and I feel unfair.

What I'm discovering is simply: that's capitalism.

You're being paid a lot and unless you work for a lossy company, you must be contributing to a profit margin that amounts to more than what they're paying you.

Writing a bunch of things on a computer is a gross simplification of whatever skill-set you've accumulated and the ultimate value you produce for your employer.

Internships are a means to an end, so if your internship seemed trivial somehow, it may have been to some degree, but the company has an interest in figuring out if they could benefit from hiring you long-term.

At the end of the day, digital technology is at the forefront of innovation and innovation is (at least one hot spot) where profits come from. You're participating in the division of labor at the frontier, so you're well paid.

Capitalism spreads wealth asymmetrically, though, so it should come as no surprise that you witness that inequality when you find yourself using your wealth to pay for bourgeois luxuries (hotel rooms, conferences, restaurants) adjacent to service industries.

It's an unfortunate down side to poverty to fee like you're being paid too much, but that's just how capitalism works. You shouldn't feel bad if you operate in an ethical manner, and help people with your wealth. Life is also funny in the sense that you can make a bunch of money one year, and then be broke the next, so save money and space for health care... It's not greed, it's survival.

If you weren't making the money, there's always a ton of people that would kill you to be in that place... What you do with the wealth is what will either bolster or hurt your confidence in life.

If you ever feel like you are being paid too much, you can always donate to those that are in need.

I am at peace with this.

One thing that helped me, was when I saw the ammount of taxes I pay :)

I am fairly capitalist, but I do hope one day we would achieve this weir socialist utopia where nobody would need to be working.

I definitely would see a problem with 'work should be compensated accordingly to the toll it takes on the body' because in the long run, don't we want to automate these kinds of jobs away?

Apologies for my disjointed thoughts, I wish you luck in your search for meaning :)